[kuroi tsubasa]

Ok, I still haven't got it: where does the -01 come in?
Is it an unlockable fighter? I don't have ACZ, so it has always confused me that there's 2 Morgans when only one appears... If it wasn't on ES, I'd think it was something like the Beam Morgan, lol.

01- the one you get, only can hold one special weapon
02- The one Pixy flies, has all three SP weapons you can use, uses them one at a time however

[JianDaoXiao]

01- the one you get, only can hold one special weapon
02- The one Pixy flies, has all three SP weapons you can use, uses them one at a time however

included the V2 remote control system

[EstovakianHarrierPlus]

It would have been nice for this to appear in ACJA instead of the Varcolac.

[Shirai_Kuroko]

No. It'll be nice if we can CRA Akula's Su-35BM with Morgan's/Falken's TLS in AC:AH

[EstovakianHarrierPlus]

At least this thing wasn't as hax as the varcolac.

[Whiskers]

look my fan made of adfx-01

[Protostealth]

I found something in the Japanese Wikipedia that you guys might find interesting. The article on the Morganmentions a number of minerals being involved with each special weapon.

• Tactical Laser System: makes mention of the mineral "zoisite", which is apparently its energy source. The paragraph also states how the Morgan's TLS pod appears to function under a 7G limit.
  
• Multi-Purpose Burst Missile: presumably uses the mineral hyperstene with a combination of nitrogen.
  
• Electromagnetic Countermeasure Pod: apparently uses the morganite mineral.

The translation Google gives me makes it ambiguous whether they are codenames for each weapon or if these minerals are actually used with them.

[Millie]

Interesting, but I gotta ask...

Are they sourced from Namco with correct in-line citations? Or are they just mentioned without any such thing? I can't really add something like that unless I can get something more direct. To be honest, the Japanese Wikipedia has always been a little bit odd to me; it mentions a lot of weird stuff that doesn't show up anywhere in English.

EDIT: Sorry didn't notice that you linked the article in question.

It doesn't appear to give any proof for its claims. There's nothing I have that says this is official data. As far as I'm concerned, its something someone made-up...

I mean, figure, with all of the supposition that the Western World puts into Ace Combat, we tend to be unaware that those on the Pacific Rim are probably just as adamant about this game as we are and are coming up with their own theories based on what's normal for them.

The unfortunate thing is that the language barrier doesn't let us work together to work out and expand the Ace Combat universe. I think it'd be awesome if we could actually reach out to those on the Pacific Rim and discuss it from both points of view.

[Albireo]

From what I can translate: Zoisite (TLS), Hyper-Thin (MPBM), and Morganite (ECMP) are all code names for the respective weapons. The MPBM power has been reduced to a few tenths of the original power it was intended to produce when deployed. The MPBM was the same burst effect of the AC5 Scinfaxi sub's weapons, and it was originally going to be equipped on the ADLER as a air launched conventional weapon. A variation of the MORGAN's TLS was adopted and modified for the ADF-01F.

The only mention of materials used to make the weapons was the MPBM using a special polymer that was comprised of mostly Nitrogen.

[Midsummersnow]

Protostealth, on 22 December 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

• Tactical Laser System: makes mention of the mineral "zoisite", which is apparently its energy source. The paragraph also states how the Morgan's TLS pod appears to function under a 7G limit.
  
• Multi-Purpose Burst Missile: presumably uses the mineral hyperstene with a combination of nitrogen.
  
• Electromagnetic Countermeasure Pod: apparently uses the morganite mineral.

The translation Google gives me makes it ambiguous whether they are codenames for each weapon or if these minerals are actually used with them.

Well they are real minerals and most of them are used in real life lasers and explosives etc.
Zoisite at the Mineral data base.
Morganite at the Mineral data base.
Enstatite aka Hypersthene at the Mineral data base

[Millie]

Alright, alright. Hang tight here...

I want to know what you all think. Do we want this included in the article? I'd be happy to rewrite it to include the information, and I'll source the Japanese Wikipedia, but I need to know whether or not everyone here's willing to accept it.

To be fair, I noticed some interesting sources in that Wikipedia article from works that don't seem to exist in this country. This might be where the information came from, its just not sourced in-line.

If we're cool with it, I'll also make sure to update the respective weapons articles and the ADF-01 article to reflect the changes.

What do you guys think? Canon or fanon?

[Eurocanard]

Millie, on 24 December 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

Alright, alright. Hang tight here...

I want to know what you all think. Do we want this included in the article? I'd be happy to rewrite it to include the information, and I'll source the Japanese Wikipedia, but I need to know whether or not everyone here's willing to accept it.

To be fair, I noticed some interesting sources in that Wikipedia article from works that don't seem to exist in this country. This might be where the information came from, its just not sourced in-line.

If we're cool with it, I'll also make sure to update the respective weapons articles and the ADF-01 article to reflect the changes.

What do you guys think? Canon or fanon?

her
Fanon until proved canon. I wish we had someone from Japan on here, since it could be that that info is in the artbook. That's probably the deciding factor here, since the other refs on the Wikipedia article are from strategy guides, and some fanon could slip in there, too. I think it's best to assume this stuff isn't correct, until proven otherwise. Man, we really need to get our collective hands on that artbook.

[Protostealth]

ACES at WAR mentions hyperstene in the ADA-01 ADLER section, so it's likely that the use of all three minerals is canon.

[Protostealth]

Here we go again with ACES AT WAR. This time, info on the Morgan.

Quote

The ADFX was developed by the South Belka Munitions Factory, most likely with a focus on Osea (an equivalent of the Amerika Bomber?). The ADFX-02 was later seized by A World With No Boundaries, and first saw action under the command of Larry Foulke during Operation Point Blank, opening the battle by using the Tactical Laser System to snipe PJ Beckett. In the ensuing dogfight, Cipher's attacks damaged the weapon pod's hydraulic systems, causing Pixy to release the now wrecked system. When Pixy fired the V2 MIRV and the two engaged in old school jousting, the Morgan's left engine catched on fire, forcing Larry to eject and causing the V2 to self destruct at the atmosphere. The acquired battle data was used in the development of the ADF-01 FALKEN.

After the Belkan War, the Osean military confiscated the ADFX-01. It would see action in 2011 during an airshow at November City, flying along the FALKEN and the X-02 Wyvern.

Additional details:

• The name "Morgan" is merely a nickname, and not the official designation given by the Belkan Air Force.
  
• It is the prototype of the ADF-01 FALKEN, designed with a more realistic and stealthier design.

[Mr. P]

2011 November City Airshow? Is there a pic showing this on Aces at War?

[Protostealth]

No images, I'm afraid.

[Roaches]

Mr. P, on 30 December 2011 - 02:11 AM, said:

2011 November City Airshow? Is there a pic showing this on Aces at War?

[Eurocanard]

And in the line drawing, it has Blaze's markings? There's so much to love about this artbook!

[Protostealth]

Design specifications and details, courtesy of Roaches and ACES AT WAR:

• First flight: January 4, 1985
  
• Gun: GiL30mm
  
• Engines: WWX-GD-401
  
• Weight (likely Manufacturer's Empty): 19,600 kilograms
  
• Speed: 1,200 km

[Mr. P]

Why Morgan's line drawing looks much like AC5's Su-35? Maybe ADFX-01 was modeled after it?