[Tazuren]

Steel Hawk, on 19 June 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

The RPG would trigger the collision warning alert, not the missile alert warning.

ADV, thing is, the other buddy of mine that said that the RPG would activate the missile warning, deals with ordinance on a daily basis, though he is not EOD. I trust what he says due to it.

[rukia8492]

or maybe yall could just ask the person who works with the damn things every day with both systems the hellfire missles and the aircrafts.


oh wait that would be me.

first issue here.... hellfire "L" models were scrapped there were too many issues with them being radar guided and they switched back to laser guided for a damn reason.

second..... the longbow radar.. heh that piece of crap, most "D" models had that taken off a long time ago. it robbed too much power from the system.

third.... the CAWS lumps RPG's and misssles together as one warning due to they are both small, moving fast, and have a signifigant heat source coming at you. the systems cant tell you what incoming, just that something with those descriptions is inbound and sets off the missle warning on the CAWS. i would know for a damn fact about that cause i have had RPG's and missiles fired at me in a aircraft and the what sounds is a missle alert.

fourth.... collision warning... uhhh thats for ground and other aircraft there buddy. might want to get your systems straight there.

[Keksz]

rukia8492, on 19 June 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

i would know for a damn fact about that cause i have had RPG's and missiles fired at me in a aircraft and the what sounds is a missle alert.

that sounds impressive lol

[Heinkel]

I will sum up all the pretentious, pompous technobabble answers to the question in a line:

There's no way for a warning system to recognize an IR-guided missile from an RPG. It picks up both as the same thing since it's not a goddamn radar warning receiver. It's the same thing as ADS.

[Steel Hawk]

The range at what the warning will kick on if you're not getting hit with emissions is when the missile is practically in your lap and you're a burning wreck falling to the ground. The Apache's collision avoidance system is more likely to warn you of the rapidly traveling object approaching you then your CMWS from an RPG since RPGs don't have burn motors after they have left their launchers.

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second..... the longbow radar.. heh that piece of crap, most "D" models had that taken off a long time ago. it robbed too much power from the system.<BR sab="362"><BR sab="363">

Yes, because having your own organic FCR is "Crap". Unless an Apache Longbow platoon is operating with an FCR equipped Kiowa Warrior, at least one of them will have their Longbow FCR equipped to laze for the rest of the group.

[rukia8492]

you do realize im army aviation right?

it means i work on attack helos, trust me the longbow radars have been being removed from the apaches for a while now. the longbow radar unit was causing too many problem with high altitude flight. also the fact of the matter is the apaches are not using the rader guided hellfires, their using laser guided hellfires. that little bubble under the chin on the bird, it just doesn't contain a FLIR system it also contains the laser target marking system.

dont try to beat me at knowledge of my own job. i'll beat you every time, i've been military aviation for over 6 years now. there's a reason millie said i am one of the actual military aviation experts on this board.

[Steel Hawk]

rukia8492, on 19 June 2011 - 10:07 PM, said:

you do realize im army aviation right?

it means i work on attack helos, trust me the longbow radars have been being removed from the apaches for a while now. the longbow radar unit was causing too many problem with high altitude flight. also the fact of the matter is the apaches are not using the rader guided hellfires, their using laser guided hellfires. that little bubble under the chin on the bird, it just doesn't contain a FLIR system it also contains the laser target marking system.

dont try to beat me at knowledge of my own job. i'll beat you every time, i've been military aviation for over 6 years now. there's a reason millie said i am one of the actual military aviation experts on this board.

I know what the Apache is equipped with and I know that all Apaches were brought up to speed with the D variant as much as possible, even excluding the Longbow FCR. But without a Kiowa Warrior feeding the Apaches data, their ability to laze, target, track and kill multiple targets is NIL without the Longbow FCR.

The entire reason that the Ds are flying without their FCRs is because, if you haven't noticed, there is a distinct lack of enemy armour in-theater these days. Not because they drain too much power (Which doesn't make a lick of sense, considering when every Apache was brought up to speed, the Ds had their Turbines upgraded to the 701C from the 700.

[rukia8492]

you keep misinterpreting my words.

AH-64's have problems flying in high, hot, thin air when they have the longbow radar on the birds. it causes problems because you have cables going up through a hollow rotor mast which makes it so you are now unable to put as much torque on the rotor system as before which lowers flight performance.

second the apache does not need a kiowa to fly around putting a lazer on the target for an apache to kill it because an apache has both a FLIR and a damn LASER TARGETING SYSTEM inside of the damned chin bubble.

third i was in the damn AVIM at bragg so it means even though i mainly worked on the kiowa i also performed maintenance on all 4 birds my brigade had. it meant i was doing not just the job of a sierra, but also the jobs of the juliets, tangos, uniforms, romeos, and the yankees.

[Steel Hawk]

rukia8492, on 20 June 2011 - 12:19 AM, said:

you keep misinterpreting my words.

AH-64's have problems flying in high, hot, thin air when they have the longbow radar on the birds. it causes problems because you have cables going up through a hollow rotor mast which makes it so you are now unable to put as much torque on the rotor system as before which lowers flight performance.

second the apache does not need a kiowa to fly around putting a lazer on the target for an apache to kill it because an apache has both a FLIR and a damn LASER TARGETING SYSTEM inside of the damned chin bubble.

third i was in the damn AVIM at bragg so it means even though i mainly worked on the kiowa i also performed maintenance on all 4 birds my brigade had. it meant i was doing not just the job of a sierra, but also the jobs of the juliets, tangos, uniforms, romeos, and the yankees.

You're obviously have problems reading my last post.

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But without a Kiowa Warrior feeding the Apaches data, their ability to laze, target, track and kill multiple targets is NIL without the Longbow FCR.

There, that better?

[EstovakianHarrierPlus]

May I ask a question? How many AH-64's does a division get?